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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 25, 2006 6:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Here he goes again...

Hey all--great insights...love this all being together here and will have to copy it all out so I can loose it somewhere on my computer (Ashes? Arbuthnot?). Many thanks especially to Ian and Old NJ Head, and the rest. Glad to see it is well liked by the likes of you all.

Do folks recall the nice little insert with the Live album that had all the words written out?

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Poster: Old_NJ_Head_Zimmer Date: Nov 25, 2006 7:15am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Here he goes again...

Remember the insert well and the great drawings!!!!

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Poster: jhender501 Date: Nov 25, 2006 8:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Here he goes again...

If I could live my life over again, I would spend more time trying to understand music theory. I read these explanations for "The Eleven", etc and am somewhat baffled. Perhaps if I would have stuck with guitar lessons many years ago..Oh well..still love the music ;-)


Jim

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Poster: mcglone Date: Nov 25, 2006 10:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Here he goes again...

hi jim,

The time signature (also known as "meter signature") is a notational device used in Western musical notation to specify how many beats are in each bar and what note value constitutes one beat. Time signatures indicate meter, but do not necessarily determine it.

Simple time signatures
4/4
common time: widely used in most forms of Western classical and popular music.
2/2
alla breve, cut time: used for marches and fast orchestral music. Frequently occurs in musical theater. Sometimes called "in 2".
4/2
rarer in music since 1600, although Brahms and other conservative composers used it occasionally.
2/4
used for polkas or marches
3/4
used for waltzes, minuets, scherzi, and country & western ballads.


Compound time signatures
6/8
double jigs, fast waltzes, marches and some rock music.
9/8
"compound triple time", used in triple ("slip") jigs, otherwise occurring rarely (The Sorcerer's Apprentice and The Ride of the Valkyries are some familiar examples)
12/8
classical music; also common in blues and doo-wop, also used more recently in rock music.

fyi, the eleven, as its name suggests, is in 11/8 time, mostly played as three beats of three followed by a beat of two ( but with all sorts of variations played against each other).

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 25, 2006 10:22am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Here he goes again...

Way to go Ian--thanks, man. Though, I am hoping that there will not be a quiz (or anymore spell checks and grammarian analyses), it is nice to have a vague notion of what is going on.

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Poster: Liamfinnegan Date: Nov 25, 2006 12:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Here he goes again...

THanks McGone for explaining the Eleven time signature- hence my 1-2-3-1-2-3-1-2-3-1-2 is the correct way of counting it out- I did not want to pretend I knew something I did not know-

If you personally have not heard apocalypse in 9/8 from suppers ready here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWOaXAiCSCA

after the flute solo it kicks in at 1:39 mark

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Poster: AshesRising Date: Nov 25, 2006 7:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Here he goes again...

WT: - got my laughin' with the "lose it on my computer." -- thanks a lot. - no, I don't remember the insert - when I first discovered them in '78 I had a real hard time tracking down their lyrics - I would have remembered that insert since that crazy "countdown" lyrics were impossible to figure out just by listening. Great tune. - Ashes